Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement

 
 
Monday, 6th October 2008 Change Date

Premium Article !

Your account has been frozen. For your available options click the below button.

Options

Premium Article !

To read this article in full you must have registered and have a Premium Content Subscription with the Edinburgh Evening News site.

Subscribe

Registered Article !

To read this article in full you must be registered with the site.

Gung-ho Nats face settling for second



Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 17 July 2008
BY-ELECTIONS have a history of producing dramatic results which can shake governments and create major political aftershocks. Labour's loss of the previously safe Crewe & Nantwich seat in Cheshire two months ago was seen as a portent of doom for Gordon Brown's government.
More recently, Alex Salmond predicted an "earthquake" when voters go to the polls next week in Glasgow East – one of Labour's safest seats in Scotland.

The SNP has had its share of by-election triumphs over the years, but there are signs the man
who led the SNP to victory in last year's Holyrood elections could be in for a disappointment this time.

Insiders in all parties, including the SNP, are saying privately that the Nationalists have "over-hyped" their chances next Thursday. The most likely result, they believe, is that Labour will hang on, but with a severely reduced majority.

One senior opposition politician says: "Alex Salmond and the SNP have allowed themselves to be talked up to the extent that if Labour now manages to get back with a majority down from 13,500 to 1500 it will look like some kind of triumph."

An SNP source admits Labour is likely to hold the seat: "The momentum is not there. The party has never worked the area in the past. Labour will probably hang on – but only just. That would be good for Brown in the short term, but the long-term problems will still be there."

Labour's campaign got off to a farcical start when their favoured candidate failed to turn up for the selection meeting. He later told party bosses he was not willing to stand after newspapers began to rake up ten-year-old allegations of housing benefit fraud, over which he was exonerated. Glasgow council leader Steven Purcell and Labour MSP Frank McAveety were supposedly then approached without success before the party's Holyrood health spokeswoman Margaret Curran agreed to step into the breach and become the candidate.

She has to explain how she will serve both as an MP and MSP – but the SNP is in no position to object since Mr Salmond already combines those roles.

Opposition parties are bemused that Labour called the by-election – caused by the resignation on health grounds of veteran MP David Marshall – before making sure they had a candidate in place.

The general view, however, is the party has ended up, by a circuitous route, with the best candidate it could have got.

Ms Curran's Baillieston seat in the Scottish Parliament makes up a large part of the Glasgow East Westminster constituency.

Although the SNP is making much of the fact she lives outside the constituency, she is said to be popular in the area.

Early talk of the Nationalists choosing former MSP Duncan Hamilton or Andrew Wilson as its candidate soon evaporated. Instead, the party settled on John Mason, a Glasgow councillor for ten years and leader of the 22-strong SNP group on the council, who has lived in the city's east end for almost 20 years.

The SNP wants to capitalise on discontent and disillusionment and make the by-election about sending a message to Gordon Brown and Labour at Westminster.

Labour, on the other hand, hopes to persuade voters to see it as their chance to choose someone to stand up for the interests of the area.

Glasgow has given the SNP two of their most significant by-election victories in the past – Margo MacDonald's 1973 triumph in Govan and her husband Jim Sillars' win in the same seat in 1988.

Ms MacDonald does not forecast a repeat in Glasgow East, though. She said: "I don't think there has been enough flair or imagination or excitement."

She said she is impressed with Mr Mason as the SNP's standard-bearer, despite Labour branding him a "hardline Nationalist". "Hardline means you will fight for every last halfpenny that should be coming to Scotland. The SNP have been far too timid. If they gave that candidate his head he would know what he was doing and he would be able to argue the case," she said.

Last year's Holyrood election result and the continuing popularity of the SNP minority government should give the Nationalists a good chance, even in traditionally solid Labour territory.

A defeat for Labour in Glasgow East would undoubtedly be a serious blow to Gordon Brow, but canvassers claim some voters promising to stick with the party say they are fed up with all the criticism being heaped on the PM.

A defeat for the SNP could also prove an unwelcome setback for Mr Salmond, with one Nationalist insider saying the First Minister has "blotted his copybook" by being too gung-ho about the by-election prospects.

The SNP urgently needs to manage expectations – not only among the public, but also among the hundreds of activists it has brought in from all over the country to help in the campaign. They will go home disappointed if their efforts end in defeat.

SNP 'EARTHQUAKES' OVER THE YEARS
Motherwell, 1945: Scottish Nationalist Robert McIntyre takes the former Labour seat but loses it at the general election three months later.

West Lothian, 1962: SNP candidate Billy Wolfe causes a stir with a surprise second place as Tam Dalyell is elected for the first time.

Hamilton, 1967: The SNP's Winnie Ewing wins the former Labour stronghold with a 37.9 per cent swing – the Nationalists' first major breakthrough.

Govan, 1973: "Blonde bombshell" Margo MacDonald is elected on a 26.7 per cent swing from Labour to the SNP. The party goes on to win 11 seats in October 1974.

Govan, 1988: Scottish Nationalist Jim Sillars repeats his wife's victory 15 years earlier with 33.1 per cent swing from Labour.

Perth & Kinross, 1995: Roseanna Cunningham wins the former Tory safe seat after the death of Sir Nicholas Fairbairn.

Livingston, 2005: The SNP fails to win Robin Cook's old seat from Labour, despite a swing of over ten per cent.

Dunfermline & West Fife 2006: The Lib Dems edge out the SNP to snatch the seat with an 1800 majority.







The full article contains 1021 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 17 July 2008 11:26 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 17/07/2008 12:46:10

Another well balancede item of news.

Why not ask the relevant question. "If labour can barely hold onto their safest seat in the UK, How will they manage in the rest of the country?"

The swing in opinion and voting against labour will make the headlines through out the country except on the Scottish press.
2

Jed Smith,

Moscow 17/07/2008 12:46:17
There actually was an earthquake in Glasgow in the late 70s.

It was St Mungo's Fault !
3

watcher4,

edinburgh 17/07/2008 12:49:08
When Salmond is backing Sheridan on gun laws then we do have a problem. The East End of Glasgow have a lot more troubles than the banning air guns.
4

john z,

edinburgh 17/07/2008 12:54:45
One insider said this, one insider said that... Tittle tattle, most likely straight from the imagination of the writer of this article.

Why is is, that so-called political Journalists in Scotland (aside from Sunday Herald) have no passion to actually investigate what the politicians are saying, checking facts and figures. Seriously, the public are not well served by Scottish Journalists, who are happy to just re-print political press releases verbatim.

The Bias in political coverage in favour of Labour is disgraceful.

So, Gung-ho nats, for balance should we not have had lying labour??
5

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/07/2008 12:59:58
Why not ask the question as to why after decades of labour presidence over the area does Glasgow East still suffer so many problems ? - or is it obvious - the voters of that constituency fear improvement ?
6

subrosa,

17/07/2008 13:02:16
'The SNP urgently needs to manage expectations – not only among the public, but also among the hundreds of activists it has brought in from all over the country to help in the campaign.'

I don't mind this negative article at this time in the by-election. The outcome is really far too tight to predict at present.

What I do object to is incorrect journalism. The SNP has not 'brought in hundreds of activists'. SNP supporters are going to Glasgow east through choice. Nobody there has been 'brought in'. I know - I was one of the many who decided to go entirely of my own volition.

7

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:15:21
All part of the forthcoming unionist media tidal wave that will hail *ANY* SLAB victory as a mortal blow to the SNP, a punch in the face to Salmond, an utter rejection of the independence argument etc etc etc yada yada yada

Fact of the matter is that cutting the 13,500 majority to anything under 3,000 will be a tremendous result and leave SLAB in a perilous state in Scottish Westminster seats country-wide come next election.

As for Salmond/SNP hyping it up/over estimating their chances ... what a crock of sh|t. Anyone who DOESN'T approach a contest with a winning mentality is going to lose. Being positive, being upbeat ... are understandably alien traits to the negativists, cynics and gloom-meisters of The Northbritishman.
8

artemisclyde,

17/07/2008 13:26:49
I think that we should probably wait for the outcome. I'd like the National Party to win this one, but it is coming from a relatively long way back in the 3rd safest labour seat in the country.

No doubt if Labour get in, there will be as other posters say, a view from the media of a rejection of the SNP, independence etc etc etc, even though the likelihood is that if labour win, they will have had thousands skinned off their majority.

I don't wish for a pro-SNP newspaper, but I do wish that there was at least, some balance in the media in Scotland.

And labour have the cheek to complain to the BBC about being pro-SNP!

9

artemisclyde,

17/07/2008 13:29:35
4 - watcher4 - if he agrees with Sheridan, then why not? or are you more into the soap-opera politics of brown and cameron, each trying to outdo each other on how they don't agree?

consensus can go a long way.
10

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:30:55
Has Ian Swanson been to Glasgow East?

11

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 13:30:55
#9 "Fact of the matter is that cutting the 13,500 majority to anything under 3,000 will be a tremendous result"

You need to learn the difference between a fact and an opinion.

All you are really doing is guessing what the result will be and then equating that with what you want to be true. That's perfectly good fun, but it is not "fact".
12

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:31:05
More Labour lies, apart from Mrs Curran saying she lives in East End.

This follows Margaret Curran's website having a story and photograph of the Labour candidate allegedly meeting with 93 year-old war hero Mr McGuiness. Ms Curran said that Mr McGuiness looked "not a day past 70".

The photo – since removed – had been up for a week until the mistake was pointed out, but Mr McGuiness is a 67 year-old Labour activist who had been given an MBE
But is not a war hero.

And The Daily Mail reveals today that Taggart actor John Michie (who campaigned with Margaret Curran on Tuesday) made a film for the BBC's This Week last year discussing advantages of independence for Scotland.
13

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:51:20
Ian Swanson's card is well marked. He ran this piece 10 days ago (or was told to by Foulkes perhaps). Unfortunately for him it only showed that this was a net reduction on the expenditure of the previous SLAB-Lib-Dem administration.

"Cost of air travel close to £1m after SNP's first year in office"
Date: 05 July 2008
By IAN SWANSON

Ian Swanson is a joke. Now that is a FACT.
14

steve 1511,

aberdeen 17/07/2008 13:54:59
to vote for liebour in the east end is to vote for more of the same policies they have brought to the east end over the last 50 years,POVERTY,deprevation,ill health crime poor social housing unemployemnet and corruption ,the east end and other sink estates in britain are a disgrace to a country that has the fourth largest economy in the world,the labour party is unworthy of government as it ignores the needs of the people it is supposed to represent, as it screws the poor into the ground with more and more false taxes,its m p s line up to take their fill at the trough of bribery and corruption and screw every penny they can get out of the tax payer in expenses,labour mps have no shame and are this countrys disgrace
15

Raoul Duke,

17/07/2008 14:23:53
More anti-SNP propaganda from the EEN.

How folk in the east end of Glasgow can continue to vote Labour is beyond me. They have achieved nothing there over the years apart from letting poverty continue. The “ah voate fir labur coz am a labur man” attitude makes a mockery of the election system.
16

ThomasP,

17/07/2008 14:41:24
"Labour will probably hang on – but only just."

The article is not worth the paper that it was written on.

How can this article display the chances that the SNP may have to settle for 2nd place but when at the same time they wrote that Labour would hang on - just...

It sounds as if the SNP still have a chance to get the seat and it is only a little more swing needed to get it.
17

Edward,

17/07/2008 14:49:40
oh dear another anti SNP story from the Edinburgh Evening News
No Hard facts
No real story
Everyone knows that it would be a tall order for the SNP to over turn a Labour 13500 majority,it isnt called a safe seat for nothing
It doesnt matter how much Labour acheive to hang on to this 'safe' seat, the fact remains that if they do manage and the majority is halfed, their damaged. If the hold on just by a handful of votes , Labour will be VERY damaged! If by some good fortune the SNP actually win, then following on from Crewe and Nantwich, which was also a 'safe seat' for Labour (in which they used to have a 11500 majority) then its good night vienna for Gordon Brown
18

Edward,

17/07/2008 14:52:08
The headline is straight from the Labour breifing I think. They are the only people that would come out with such a spurious headline
19

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 17/07/2008 14:53:56
I see that the BBC has twigged to the fact that Maggie Curran's star supporter is in fact a supporter of independence. I guess we now get to watch reruns of McTaggart.

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/2/hi/uk_news/scotl
and/glasgow_and_west
/7511847.stm
20

tomias,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 14:55:44
Too many postings on this.
21

Edward,

17/07/2008 14:56:35
'Opposition parties are bemused that Labour called the by-election – caused by the resignation on health grounds of veteran MP David Marshall – before making sure they had a candidate in place'
Now if Mr Swanson was a real journalist, he would be looking at the real facts behind David Marshall's resignation and that is that it had more to do with half a million pounds of tax payers money being used on spurious expenses, such as paying staff, namely his wife and daughter £ 400,000 plus £ 91,000 for office costs, namely his house in Glasgow!
But we dont want facts getting in the way of supporting Labour do we!
22

Alan B,

17/07/2008 15:00:49
#a proud doonhamer

Given that he was on the bbc at the time of the election last year slagging the union and advocating independence it took the bbc long enough.

Was also surprised the scotsman did not mention that he was an advocate of independence when they wrote the article a few days ago about his support for curran. Particulary given his interview supporting the snp at least years election was on the bbc show by the scotsman former editor andrew neil.
23

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 17/07/2008 15:02:38
" Labour actor backed independence"

"he said the union was "the last vestige of an empire on which the sun has well and truly set".

"Mr Michie said an independent Scotland would never have participated in the war in Iraq and described independence as a "constructive process" which would also benefit England.

"An independent Scotland would find a new confidence,"

"It would slow down the brain-drain that causes this country to lose so many of its most brightest and most skilled."

"he felt the UK was emotionally and politically redundant."
24

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 15:05:31
#6 lulach mac gille coemgain

"Why not ask the question as to why after decades of labour presidence over the area does Glasgow East still suffer so many problems ? - or is it obvious"

Yes #6 it is obvious, the Labour Party have largely ignored and taken for granted the voters in East Glasgow (and elsewhere in Scotland) until now when they fear a huge drop in their majority, or worse, a defeat at the hands of the SNP.

As a now very ex-Labour supporter I must add that I would prefer to see an SNP victory. This would probably result in the demise of 'Bible Brown' followed rapidly by a UK General Election spelling the end of the current Labour rule.

The Labour Party greatly needs to re-examine and design itself before it can be safely returned to power.
25

Edward,

17/07/2008 15:05:52
According to John Michie's Fan website
it states 'Most Annoying Habit: Forgetting things'
26

Marian,

17/07/2008 15:08:26
New Labour may scrape home to retain their "safe seat" on Glasgow East and thus Gordon Brown survive for another day. However it will ultimately be a victory for the opposition parties at Westminster as he is by far the worst leader New Labour could ever have and he will lead them to defeat in the next Westminster election.
27

Brian Hill,

17/07/2008 15:09:09
Touch of wishful thinking here I think. With a week to go not even the most die hard Labour chief would dare to call this election....indeed anyone who has been involved in electioneering will know how voter moods can turn on a sixpence...ok, fivepence.

Let's remember John Mason has already won an 'impossible' by election 10 years ago to get on Glasgow Council, an excellent achievemnt in those days.

But better still, John Mason has not only been re-elected 4 times, only last year he was the only candidate of ANY party in Glasgow to get more than 3000 votes in the local elections....(or probably anywhere in Scotland).

John is clearly a very capable candidate and one who has earned the respect of his constituents....and politicians can only achieve that by hard work and honesty.

With a week to go anything can and will happen. I have no doubt the campaign will move up several gears this weekend and maintain the moment and necessary excitement of which Margo rightly spoke all the way to polling day.

LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN !
28

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 15:10:02
# 16, Vivas
If Ian Swanson was a fair reporter he would publish details of 3 jobs George Foulkes Westminster expenses as exposed by Sunday Herald on 27th April 2007.
29

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 15:10:26
Sorry mean 27 April 2008
30

Edward,

17/07/2008 15:15:29
Somehow I suspect Labour are writing John Michie's script
'Mr Michie added: "I know from my own experiences that Labour has made a real difference to Glasgow'
The only thing is, he lives in London!
31

Ken_Fitlike,

17/07/2008 15:16:53

Labour actor backed independence
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7511847.stm

Mr Michie on Scotland's Future
Mr Michie campaigned for Labour in the Glasgow East by-election

"The union was the last vestige of an empire on which the sun has well and truly set....."

"This union has become a barrier for Scotland participating in a younger union - the European Union."

"....An independent Scotland would never have participated in the war in Iraq and described independence as a "constructive process" which would also benefit England...."

"An independent Scotland would find a new confidence,"

"It would slow down the brain-drain that causes this country to lose so many of its most brightest and most skilled...."

"And Edinburgh, that great European capital that has already witnessed one Enlightenment, could once again be the cradle for new insights in modernity and progress."

"...Scots would find a "new confidence" in independence, a new vigour in moving forward as a nation and a new voice in Europe...."

"...the UK was emotionally and politically redundant..."
32

ruthie,

alba 17/07/2008 15:55:17
"labour, on the other hand, hopes to persuade voters to see it as their chance to choose someone to stand up for the area"...
erm, wasn't that what LIEbour FAILED to do for the last 50 years?
LIEbour: corrupt to the core.
33

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 17/07/2008 16:04:43
Hilarious. Liebore get worse & worse. Come ON people of Glasgow East. You can do MUCH better than voting for the monkey with the red rosette.
34

I love to eat Sellotape,

17/07/2008 16:07:16
My voting policy is always to select the female candidate I'd most like to take to bed - or at least the one I'd have the fewest objections over taking to bed.
35

An Beal Bacht,

17/07/2008 16:14:17
It's not over until the fat lady sings. What? Is that Jaba I hear screeching in the background?
36

izzie,

dundee 17/07/2008 16:23:24
just back from Glasgow east (not forced but voluntary)-
atmosphere electric -snp has the hardest working most committed activists admittedly not all of the voters I talked to committed themselves to vote SNP but dozens said 'I tell you what I won't be voting Labour'
37

Edward,

17/07/2008 16:40:13
Ive read in th Scotsman and the Herald that there had been a 'hustings' meeting with all the candidates
which featured some jeering at Margaret Curran, probably when she back tracked on her 'Ive lived in the East End' comment.
Is this the same as what will be broadcast tonight on BBC2 as an hour hustings special?
38

BIG EYE,

Paisley 17/07/2008 17:21:01
Simple Question

What is the basis of this story?

Answer

An unnamed SNP "source" who thinks Labour might hang on

Another Question

Was this someone's dog?. The Labour vote in Glasgow East is melting away day on day. As the weekend campaigning raises the temperature it will increasingly disappear.

The SNP will win despite the ridiculous bias of the media.

Final Question

Where are the Scottish Labour activists. They are relying on a call centre in Newcastle. On the streets most activists seem to be from England or someone on the payroll. Mp's Msp's Councillors.

Unbelievable in what was supposed to be a safe Labour seat.
39

lulach mac gille coemgain,

17/07/2008 17:22:58
Has Labour had any success in improving Glasgow East in half a century - if I were a resident - I’d be asking why everything around me is still sh!t ?

I’d be voting any other party !
40

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 17/07/2008 17:34:52
aye, I agree, this one is in the bag. All the Labour MP's better off stay home or gone on holiday. Nae need to come to Glasgow, it rains here all the time anyway.

Tell Gordon to let the lads and lassies off the hook and give them a wee break from the trials of office. I hear that the south coast of England is nice this time of year if you don't mind the company.

I am so pleased that this race has been declared as it will now limit the amount of unionistas posting p#sh all over the threads. Some clouds do have a silver lining.

****

For those unionistas hovering over their keyboards...the above was SARCASM!
41

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

17/07/2008 17:34:52
#37 Sellotape - Heard labour's candidate will say or do anything for a vote. You're luck could be in! Let us know what she's like.
42

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 17/07/2008 17:36:59
44

Now you gone and done it. That image will be seared in my brain for weeks. Sellotape will never be same again.
43

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

17/07/2008 17:39:38
Brown's lies at PMQs yesterday:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/840366/a-bumper-pack-of-brownies.thtml
44

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 17/07/2008 17:50:55
The EBC's bias is showing again. They have put comments from the candidates on their site at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7490520.stm

I ask you to note the time give to each candidate to make a statement.

They are as follows.

Chris Creigton, Independent 23 seconds
Franes Curran, SSP 44 seconds
Eilleen Duke, Greens 35 seconds
Hamish Howitt, Freedom4choice 26 seconds
Tricia McLeish, Solidarity 41 seconds
Davina Rankin, Conservatives 24 seconds
Ian Robertson, LibDem 30 seconds

and of the two main opponents

Margaret Curran, Labour 1 minute, 8 seconds

John Masson, SNP 12 seconds

Why not simply save us all the time and post a Labour advertisement and be done with it?

I want a refund on my license.
45

Red Etin,

17/07/2008 18:38:21
An SNP victory would be fine given the current majority. But the fact is Labour will be the opposition for around 10 years after the next general election. Who will speak up for Scotland? - not Labour, who will first and foremost want to win back their English heartlands.
46

Nikostratos,

17/07/2008 18:46:02
#47 a proud doonhamer

Uh get a life.............now sad sack
47

,

17/07/2008 19:39:08
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
48

Jwil,

17/07/2008 19:40:00
According to the BBC John Michie was unavailable for comment. That says it all! Was it just mis-speak?
49

,

17/07/2008 19:50:26
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
50

Roy,

17/07/2008 20:06:24
The SNP has faced one recent setback in the resignation of Bendy Wendy. East Glasgow strategy may be to save Maggie Broon's skin for the next Westminster General Election. Makes sense.

Macchiavelli Rules OK


51

Pink Sombrero,

17/07/2008 20:12:09
52. He was on Scottish news there, from Glasgow east. You won't get the Scottish TV news in Luton.
52

Col. Blimp­IV*,

17/07/2008 20:23:21
#47 a proud doonhamer

The Unionists especially in the BBC believe that 1 Briton = 10 Scots.

So the their arithmetic is well within the usual parameters.

53

,

17/07/2008 20:26:31
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
54

,

17/07/2008 20:31:14
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
55

Eve,

Scotland 17/07/2008 21:03:16
#50 Dane Bramage SNP Insider: The word isn't hoping. It's dreading the enetable!!


Oh and you do realise that Scot Nats (NOT just SNP member or supporters)have verous politcal opions, so you cannae really paint them all with the same coulor. I bevie thats the experetion.
56

Eve,

Scotland 17/07/2008 21:05:15
opps should really have said The word isn't hoping. It's dreading the enetable and seeing a soultion, that will benfit Scotland.
57

amberlight,

17/07/2008 21:24:26
Michie,WHAT A HYPOCRITE!! This should be up on you tube.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7511847.stm


For the poster who wondered where Alex Salmond was;

"Alex Salmond was on his fourth visit to the constituency yesterday"

http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.2399921.0.Salmond_predicts_a_knockout_win_as_he_meets_young_boxer.php

There you go!
58

lilywhite,

17/07/2008 21:28:47
#56
If the SNP win the people of Glasgow East ,and Scotland gain as the UK government will wake up and realise that they can not take seats like this for granted and will have to rethink some of their policies,and of course they will have an MP in westminster fighting for them rather than counting their ill gotten gains.
Given the likleyhood of more rebellions from back bench Labour MPs between now and Browns demise in 2010,what will Maggie do if their is a big vote at Holyrood and Westminster on the same day (if she wins that is)
59

George Laird,

Glasgow 17/07/2008 21:35:50
Dear Ian Swanson

The SNP are not going for second place period.

I don't know the halfwit you spoke to but everyone is going for the win, not second place.

Curran is going to lose the by-election.

It is her who is fighting for second place.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
60

Iainbroch,

Moray 17/07/2008 22:37:14
Now we are down to inventing stories because no one will talk to Swanson or Hootsman!
Perhaps he can begin search for Michie who has now been muzzled!Give Swanson and Hootsman something to do.
He can then invent Liebaaah insiders to have conversations with.
61

,

18/07/2008 00:02:33
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
62

John PM,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 01:07:57
An SNP source says "The momentum is not there. The party has never worked the area in the past." That sounds like a very likely quote during a by-election! Does the guy want the SNP to do well or what?

Mason has been an SNP councillor in Glasgow East for the last ten years. To get in he must have been doing a fair bit campaigning. The SNP have a very large group on the council now so the reality is that they are now a lot more credible in Glasgow than they used to be. They now hold Govan with Nicola Sturgeon after all.

Isn't it a little bit early to predict the result Ian or are you going with the dodgy poll which had a +/- 6% accuracy (based on the polling sample of 500) and in actual fact whipped up figures which bore *no resemblance whatsoever* to the actual answers?

"The SNP urgently needs to manage expectations – not only among the public, but also among the hundreds of activists it has brought in from all over the country to help in the campaign. They will go home disappointed if their efforts end in defeat."

Yes, unlike the other parties who don't have hundreds of activists! The party activists will survive a defeat (given the size of Labour's majority a victory will indeed be an earthquake, as Govan was) because there will be other by-elections ahead, Jack McConnell's will be next before too long. Glasgow Central, Hamilton, there have been plenty of disappointments but it has never stopped the party throwing everything in.

Also if Curran becomes Scottish Labour party leader on the strength of a surviving performance in the by-election (after all their recent problems were caused by disagreements between UK MP's and Scottish MSP's so a foot in both camps might prove handy) then the SNP could look forward to long term gains. This woman is not so wonderful in person or on TV as the press would like to believe!

Wendy was at least presentable and appeared to think through her political actions occasionally. Curran's desperate unionism and gaf
63

John PM,

Edinburgh 18/07/2008 01:09:46
Curran's desperate unionism and gaffe strewn campaign is a perfect fit with Brown's incompetence at UK level. If she gets in [as leader] they are long term deid!
64

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 18/07/2008 03:06:43
What are the editorials going to do when SCOTLAND DECLARES INDEPENDENCE???? Maybe just maybe they will start looking outside the box and give us the paying customer some real news.....;.
65

BIG EYE,

Paisley 18/07/2008 11:28:07
I have just discovered that my dug has been phoning Mr Swanson at the EEN giving him an update on the Glasgow East by Election!

Far Fetched?

Not half as far fetched as Mr Swanson's quote from a "SNP source"
66

Brian Hill,

18/07/2008 12:06:26
#66John PM If Cathie Jamieson and Mike Rumbles were to emerge as leaders of their respective parties you would see much more cooperation between the parties to the benefit of Scotland.

#47 proud doonhamer thanks for those shocking stats though I can't help thinking that the short message was down to John himself.....

But Ms Curran's message would sound good if she had just parachuted in from Mars and had no connection with the party who had neglected the area for 50 years.

Her 'sincerity' must sound more than a little hollow as she and her party have had 50 years to face the 'challenges' she so rightly highlights in Glasgow East, not to mention the rest of Glasgow and Scotland.
67

subrosa,

18/07/2008 12:10:23
Just watched the Newsnight debate on iPlayer. Surely Glen Campbell using that letter from Dorothy Grace Elder was out of bounds? If not, why wasn't a clip shown of the film the actor made for the BBC extolling the virtues of an independent Scotland?

John Mason came over far better than the others as he actually SAID something and didn't waffle.
68

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 18/07/2008 13:30:06
"Gung-ho Nats face settling for second"

I'd rather support a party that was Gung-ho as apposed to one just being A-ho.

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.