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There's more to this local tax 'magic' than meets the eye



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Published Date: 13 March 2008
The SNP's plan to replace council tax with a local income tax may sound promising in principle, but questions remain over the implications and whether it can be made to work.
IT sounds like magic. With a wave of the SNP wand, an unpopular tax disappears and is replaced by a new tax which makes everyone better off – just like that.

That seems to be more or less what Finance Minister John Swinney was promising when he un
veiled the Scottish Government's plans for a local income tax in place of the council tax.

But the proposals have been greeted with much scepticism, claims of a potential "black hole" in the finances and confident predictions that it will never happen.

The idea of a local income tax sounds good in principle – it would mean people paying according to their means and the poor being relieved of an unfair payment burden.

But there are problems too. One is that a family or couple who are both earning, but who live in a relatively modest house, could suddenly find themselves with a far bigger bill.

Whether or not that's fair, it is likely to go down badly with a lot of voters – especially in Edinburgh, where prosperity is common but house prices are high.

The SNP's plans would also allow the very rich, who live off income from their stocks and shares, to escape the new tax altogether because it would cost more to collect the tax from them than it would bring in.

Mr Swinney and his colleagues claim that everyone, except the top ten per cent of earners or four out of five households, will be better off under the proposed new 3p-in-the-pound tax.

On the government's figures, a single person in a Band D house – taken as the average across Scotland – would need to earn more than £33,675 before their local income tax would be higher than their council tax.

A family or couple in a Band F house would need a joint income of around £66,000 before they became losers from the change.

Critics say there is a "black hole" of nearly £700 million in the calculations that allows the government to come up with these figures.

But part of the "magic" trick is that the SNP plans to pump an extra £280m of central government cash into local authorities to keep the new tax down.

The sums have also been done on the assumption that Scotland will continue to receive the £400m which currently comes north of the Border in council tax benefit.

The SNP insists this is an integral part of UK Government funding for Scotland, while Labour argues that if the council tax is scrapped, the council tax benefit would also go.

The independent Burt report on local taxation, published in 2006, estimated that without the benefit cash, local income tax would have to be levied at 6.5p in the pound to raise the same as council tax. It said that would mean, for example, a household with two adults in a Band D home, each earning around £20,000, would find themselves paying around £1670 income tax, compared with £1129 council tax.

Burt came down in favour of a local property tax based on individual valuations for every house, and worked out it would have to be levied at flat rate of one per cent to raise the required amount.

But that idea was swiftly rejected by the then Scottish Executive before the report was even published. The SNP never mentions the council tax without putting the word "unfair" before it. But how unfair is it? The value of someone's house is not an exact measure of their wealth or income, but it does bear some relation. Of course, there are pensioners living in bigger houses who find it difficult to pay the bills.

And because of the banding system – which still uses 1991 prices – there are people living in houses valued at over £1m back then who pay no more than those in houses valued at £212,000.

But when it was first introduced in 1993 – to replace the hated poll tax – the council tax was largely uncontroversial.

Its unpopularity now probably has more to do with the steep rises there have been over the years – 60 per cent in the last decade, according to the SNP – rather than the principles behind it.

AND some of the unfairness could be tackled – by greater take-up of the council tax benefit (about a third of families and 40 per cent of entitled pensioners are not claiming it) and by adding extra bands to spread the load more equitably.

The promise of scrapping the council tax and switching to a local income tax was a key part of the SNP's manifesto at last year's Holyrood elections. But it is still unclear whether the party can build a majority in the parliament for the change.

It would need the support of the Lib Dems and either the support or abstention of the two Green MSPs and independent Margo MacDonald.

The Greens and Ms MacDonald are sceptical of the proposals – and although the Lib Dems believe in a local income tax and are having talks with ministers on the issue, their version involves each council setting its own tax level rather than central government fixing it at 3p.

It has been suggested before that the potentially damaging electoral consequences of local income tax has made the Lib Dems wary of the whole policy.

One Labour ex-minister says: "When we were in government with the Lib Dems they never pushed it. I don't think they'll be in any rush to sign up to it now. I don't think it is going to happen."

The government's proposals are now out to consultation, but even Mr Swinney says the new tax would not be introduced before 2011/2012 at the earliest.





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  • Last Updated: 13 March 2008 11:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

Rambo_the_Jambo,

Somewhere in Tollcross 13/03/2008 12:42:22
..........'On the government's figures, a single person in a Band D house – taken as the average across Scotland – would need to earn more than £33,675 before their local income tax would be higher than their council tax.'

Correct. I am a single owner occupier in Band C. On a decent salary, currently paying nearly £1100 annual Council Tax

Under the new proposals I would pay half of that. Perhaps the SNP (I am a supporter) should revise the tax to ensure people do pay less but not as low as my estimate.

No wonder there would be a shortfall.

Anyway, it is quite right that two or more earners should pay more, they are using essential services more than single occupiers. If two earners walked into a pub would they expect to get two pints for the price of one?
2

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 12:49:56
I worked until past nine o'clock last night, after starting at 8.00am, trying to build a better life for myself and my family. (I have two jobs, my wife works full time and we have a young son with disabilities)

"A fairer local tax for Scotland" - what is fair about the SNP proposing to fleece my wife and I of 3% of our extra hard earned cash. If everyone worked as hard as each other, a local tax would be fair - irrespective of their income. However people don't work as hard as each other - some work their fingers to the bone, some work part time and others don't even work at all. A local income tax would therefore be a tax on hard work. What on earth is fair about that????

I was brought up to believe that the only way to get on in life was by hard work - its just so wrong and sad, that no longer seems to be the case.
3

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 12:55:33
Another LIT propaganda message from New Labour.
4

Reckless,

Less government 13/03/2008 13:02:44
Reintroduce the Poll Tax. It's the fairest system. Is it my fault that some feckless, lazy people can't be bothered to go out and work for a living?
5

Adso,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 13:10:00
No.2 I get your point about working hard and clearly that is a key issue. However you are never going to get a 'fair' system. Some of my council tax will be used up in some of the services provided to your child or to anyone else with children for that matter. Is it 'fair' that I pay for that?

There are winners and losers under every system of taxation. Perhaps we should privatise all services from healthcare to education to refuse collection and let each pay for their own. Would that fit your description of fair?
6

Mallory,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 13:37:56
If a local income tax raises less revenue then those who spend our dosh will have to adjust spending priorities and seek better value for money - it's called budgeting and everyone outside the public sector has to do this all the time - especially the elderly on small non-indexed linked pensions.

At least 20% efficiency savings on council payrolls should be possible and one simple start could be to alter retirement age to 65 and reduce sick leave to the average for the private sector.

7

Storky,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 13:49:30
A fairer solution is a sales tax, something like they have in the USA. The more you earn, the more you tend to spend, therefore, the more tax you pay.

You could have exemptions on life's essentials: food, drink and children's clothing etc. something along the lines of the current VAT system.

The problem with income tax you get the fat cats who can potentially pay nothing if they live of investments in their large castles - quite a few in Edinburgh.
8

Arfur,

13/03/2008 13:58:17
#2 I see why you would have a beef, but in all honesty when it comes to tax its a matter of taking the the lesser of a few evils. If a family has 3 or 4 kids they need a bigger house which means (if council tax is used) more tax. Income tax is fairer than council tax for around 80% of the country unlike council tax.
9

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 14:14:43
#8, I always felt though, if you could afford a larger house you could afford more tax. Plus, larger house,larger family so they would use more services, no?
10

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 14:17:04
#7
I discussed this very same option with colleagues at work yesterday. My example was Canada's sales tax system. My colleagues seemed to think this was a plausible solution, the more you spend, the more you pay. It would also 'seem' to prove an affordability to tax, if you can afford tht car, or afford that holiday, then you can afford to pay your dues.
11

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 14:40:35
5# We barely use the services provided. Our son goes to a private school - why else do you think we are working ourselves silly.
12

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 14:57:35
#11
Do private schools not still get money from the local authority, just as 'state' schools do?
I only ask, as we get a rebate from our private nursery as they get money from the local authority(or similar) as our daughter does not take up the place she is entitled to at her local state nursery.
13

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 15:00:35
Scotland, led by the Scotsman is showing that world famous Scottish NO CAN DO attitude once again.

Anything innovative and everyone is scurrying around trying to find reasons why it won't work and using said 'possible' reasons to beat the SNP Government about the head.

Whatever we do let's not recognise that Prime Minister Salmond, Chancellor Swinney and the entire cabinet are attempting to put together a very difficult package which will help the vast majority of people in Scotland.

Let's not say well, even if they fail in this difficult task no one can say they didn't try to implement this main plank of their manifesto, good on them.

We know why this belligerent attitude to the SNP Government exists of course. Those who are making lots of money from Scotland's resources and finances being in free flow to London are terrified their livelihoods are in jeopardy when this free flow of Scottish resources stops after Independence and they will do anything to stop this happening.

That ANYTHING includes depriving the people of Scotland of good Government. Unfortunately for the Unionists flailing around in the wake of the fast moving SNP juggernaut the very people they wish to cheat out of a better life are the ones who will ultimately decide whether Scotland becomes Independent or not and as everyone knows, they are coming over to the SNP in droves following 10 months of Intelligent Government.

Let the People decide either by Referendum or Holyrood General Election.

14

Xena - Warrior Princess,

13/03/2008 15:04:13
I would prefer a sales tax, I certainly don't like the idea of local government setting its own tax level, Edinburgh is bad enough as it is. LIT is unfair as it is only PAYE workers who are hit with this. Will there be a provision for apprentices on low wages? Will there be any incentive for any young person to get a job at all?
15

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 16:15:19
It disnae matter how many ways they spin this story they are going to get the same posts and arguments over and over again. Very shabby journalism.
16

Duncan in Edinburgh,

13/03/2008 17:17:07
#8 Where do you get that figure from Arfur? LIT being fairer than CT for 80% of the country, I mean?
17

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 17:20:00
the whole point of a local income tax is the people who earn more pay more simple but as usual the anti scottish labours friend een is too busy dancing to the english labour parties tune scottish labour my bum thats like saying scottish power is really owned by scotland when its the spanish
18

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 17:22:18
even the poll tax was better than the rip off council tax why do you think so many migrants stay in the one house simple pay one council tax own numerous houses and then only pay a fraction for other houses which they fill with more migrants claiming houseing benfit
19

Miss H,

13/03/2008 18:00:45
Presumably family man with 2 jobs you don't pay council tax though. Or do you not understand that the 3p income tax is instead of council tax not as well as it?
20

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 18:23:39
What a pity the Evening News has joined the Scotsman in this anti SNP/anti Local Income Tax drive. LIT would be a lot fairer and would make a lot more logical sense than the current system.
21

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

13/03/2008 20:12:52
19# Apologies if I came over as thick as two planks there. However I do realise the tax on hard work (or local income tax as some would call it) will replace the council tax. My wife and I pay £2220.00 per year in council tax, including water and sewage, which I agree is unfair, as we get very little from it. However - for us anyway, a local income tax would cost a lot more. Yes I here you say, "you can afford it then". Perhaps you are right, but only because my wife works full time and I have a second job. To prevent the tax on hard work (local income tax) costing us more than the council tax, my wife would have to go part time, or I would have to give up the second job. Not the best way for my family, or a nation to prosper and that is my argument - government policies should ENCOURAGE hard work and not the other way around.

13# In my opinion, President Salmond is a fanatical lunatic, who is doing a lot of damage to our nation - but then I never voted for a Scottish Parliament in the first place - total waste of resources, doubling up on everything we already have in Westminster.
22

democracy,

Scottish Borders 14/03/2008 21:24:13
#21, I notice you do not inform the posters of the area you come from which makes me suspicious straight away! As far as your two jobs and wife who works full time is concerned and claim to be hard workers rather than self serving greedy little beggars and would rather see the pensioners and low paid, pay a higher whack of their wages, percentage wise, so as you can pay less, so typical of the greedy little Unionist types, self serving money grabbing vermin.
You also appear to make out that you are a family man and yet no mention of any children which tells me there are no children involved just a guy with 2 jobs + wife with one fulltime job and no room for children because of cost and probably already have your coffins and plots booked and to be buried with your fortune, end of sad little story!!
23

democracy,

Scottish Borders 14/03/2008 21:26:14
I cannot help but notice there is much debate by many, who see any changes in the council tax as detrimental to our well being and proceed to inform us with assumed expertise as to why it all won't work, but all fail to tell us with their assumed expertise as to how it WILL work!
Suggesting somehow that the status quo is much more preferable to an alternative "ability to pay" scenario and somehow it is not suitable to alleviate the suffering of the less well off by changing the emphasis to the middle and upper wage earners.
As usual it smacks of political expediency and cowardice coming from the advocates of the "status quo", and showing a lack of any moral compass!!

 

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